We are rational people”

The Devil brings out the best in us, says Magus Peter H. Gilmore, High Priest of the Church of Satan. But only, if we don’t believe in him.

Is Satanism evil?

Good and evil are subjective valuations, despite many religions claiming that their mythical deities authenticate these human judgments. The philosophy of Satanism is thus something you must judge by the standards you yourself use, whether self-evolved or adopted from some religion or philosophy. Satanism is intended as a tool to enhance the life of a person for whom it comes naturally, one who is by nature carnal, skeptical, pragmatic, materialistic. Our self-centered view, which requires personal responsibility for one’s successes and failures, may be too challenging for most. And our championing of liberty concurrent with responsibility frightens people who feel that they can’t control themselves unless forced to behave by laws constricting their actions. Satanists are boldly capable of embracing a social contract of civilized behavior by our own volition, rather than because of the supposed dictates of some legendary supernatural overlord. It is thus up to each person to decide whether Satanism may be beneficial or negative to themselves. Satanism is a good for we Satanists who can live up to its challenges, but those who fear liberty and self-control might regard it as evil. Those who wish to have hegemony over others certainly find our creed of self-determination to be contrary to their dictatorial ends.

There is widespread misconception that Satanists must necessarily worship the devil as a mythical entity or external deity. You write, that he is merely representative of ourselves. In what way?

Satan in Hebrew means the adversary, the accuser, the one who questions, and that symbolism is apt for Satanists who actively explore and evaluate the world around themselves, only accepting information that we decide to be credible. Satan has served to represent pride, liberation from oppression, and as an enabler of earthly joy. He has been depicted as an astute critic of society by many intellectuals and creators throughout history: Milton, Baudelaire, Twain, Carducci, and Byron amongst others. Since Satanists are atheists, Satan represents a magnified symbol of our selves and what we value: freedom, individualism, skepticism, pragmatism, carnality, creativity, self-improvement, and the pride we have for our personal accomplishments.

You claim that the devil only exists within ritual and that all religions are in the show business”, but that you are the only one honest enough to admit it. Why is the ritual necessary?

In Satanism ritual is not necessary — it is an optional tool that many Satanists find beneficial, but not every Satanist employs ritual. It seems clear to us that rituals are common to our species in all cultures: they function as an extension of the conceptual consciousness of human animals. For us, ritual is self-transformational psychodrama, a means for releasing and purging obsessive emotions hindering our pursuit of joy. It might only be utilized by some Satanists on rare occasions. One acts as celebrant in one’s own rituals—we don’t have a professional priesthood in the Church of Satan. The world’s organized religions work to impress their followers, often through elaborate religious structures and ceremonial actions. Their Gods are myths, so what they do is a sham meant to enthral their followers—a show. They convince them that their professional priesthoods are needed so that via attending rites, their followers might be favored now and in the fantasy of an afterlife. That’s certainly show business since it presents a fiction; gullible people are made to think they are getting something (a deity’s beneficence) which does not exist. Satanic ritual is not worship, rather it is a form of self-celebration. We understand that ritual is metaphor, what our founder Anton Szandor LaVey called an intellectual decompression chamber,” a means for emotionalizing via symbolic actions that are therapeutic.

Satan serves to inspire us”

If Satan is only a fabrication of the Satanist mind and Satanism is ultimately about oneself, why not just worship yourself without the proxy of a supernatural entity?

Certainly one could do so, but where’s the fun in that? We are Satanists, rather than just atheists and secularists, because we are excited by the symbol of Satan as an external projection of the best of ourselves. It has an aesthetic aspect, this embracing of the resonant symbol of Satan, and that is what becomes the dividing line for many who share our secularism. Satan serves to inspire us. Other atheists find different sources of inspiration and symbols to stimulate themselves.

What is hell to you?

Hell in most mythologies is a place of punishment for the damned or a cold, dreary underworld. For me, such myths are interesting in how they serve to threaten the adherents of most religions into obedience. A Satanist would consider a situation to be hellish if it was something deeply unpleasant that could not be readily escaped. For myself, having to deal with those who lack intelligence and curiosity on a regular basis would be tedious enough, and certainly hellish if I was forced to do so for the majority of my precious time.

You write that every Satanist is an atheist and his own personal God”. What then is the difference to regular atheists?

Atheism is a position stating the non-belief in any supernatural deities—nothing more. After that fundamental thought, an atheist must examine the surrounding universe and society of humans to determine what sort of course of action might be most suitable. If you’ve observed atheists in general, amongst them there is no major agreement on a necessary philosophy after the determination that gods are myths. Coming to terms with a definition of what is right for humans in general, once God is not part of the equation, presents many different avenues of thinking. There are many humanist atheists who deify society above the individual. They seek a common good,” but few agree with each other regarding what that might be or how it could be attained via various forms of government, economy and social regulation. Satanism begins with the self as primary in one’s life, so each Satanist is free to determine what is personally valuable and how to then move through society. In Satanism we are not attempting to present a philosophy for everyone. Our way of thinking is meant as a method to find a path of maximum satisfaction during our lives, regardless of the society in which we find ourselves. We are not trying to change the society, unless we decide that is a worthwhile endeavor. A Satanist might decide he wishes to sacrifice his time and even his life for others who live now or in times to come, but that decision must be his, un-coerced by others.

Is Satan, a concept so deeply rooted in religion, the best figurehead for an atheist community?

We Satanists do not see ourselves as part of any community, not even one of Satanists. Satan as a symbol of the material, of human desire fulfilled, has global cultural impact, arising initially from the world dominance of Christian imagery and literature. His legendary refusal to serve Yahweh works well as an exemplar for we who oppose the spiritual regardless of what culture might be its source.

A large portion of Satanists around the globe still believe in Satan as an anthropomorphic being and identify as theistic Satanists. Do you actively try to convince them otherwise?

We do not accept those who believe in Satan as being Satanists, regardless of what they call themselves. Christians supposedly believe in Satan, but the subset of Satan’s believers—essentially heretical Christians—who worship him are not very large from what I’ve seen. From my observations over decades the amount of people who self-identify as theistic Satanists” is a small one. To us, the term theistic Satanism” is an oxymoron, since we defined Satanism for the first time in history as a coherent philosophy and it is atheist. Devil worship” or demonolatry” is the more accurate term for such theistic people. Just as we wouldn’t try to teach a pig to sing, we don’t try to alter the thoughts of such persons—it would waste our time and annoy those who are comfortable living in their illogical fantasies.

How do you handle ritual abuse? How do you distance yourself from it?

Ritual abuse is not a frequent criminal activity, contrary to what was claimed during the Satanic Panic” of the 1980s-90s. That it was ascribed to Satanic cultists” back then has been debunked by American and European law enforcement agencies. Therapists who planted false memories in young subjects, due to their own twisted fantasies, have been sued for what was indeed an abuse of trust. During those hysterical times, I appeared on many talk shows to point out how such behavior is not congruent with Satanic philosophy. The Satanic Bible points out that children are to be cherished as they embrace their natural impulses before repressive religions condition them to do otherwise. Since Satanists are atheists, the idea that we’d sacrifice children or animals is senseless. Only theists make sacrifices since they think such murders appease the supernatural entities they worship. Ancient pagans and jews sacrificed animals regularly. Today, we find that crime statistics indicate that Christians abuse their children and each other, at times in ritual, and they are being prosecuted for such atrocities. The widespread sexual abuse of children by the Roman Catholic Church’s priesthood has been their shame, and since its exposure they’ve paid much money as reparations to victims, though they’ve often protected the agents of abuse who are their clergy. Aside from this world’s largest Christian sect, small offshoots have been prosecuted for the torture and murder of their fellows, often in acts of purification or exorcism. But it is well-documented that ritual abuse by Satanists is non-existent. One must look to theists for those misdeeds.

You mentioned the Satanic Panic“ of the 1980s and early 1990s, when people associated Satanism with violent rituals. Do you think that Satanism still suffers from that public stigma?

At this point, the talk show hosts who fanned the flames of that hysteria have apologized for promoting such lunacy. The wider public now has no belief in that mythology. Younger people have even forgotten that The Satanic Panic” happened. Evangelical Christians were the source of that mythology and amongst their more radical sects there is still belief in such things, but most see them as freakish, and not a source of truthful data. Satanism has reached a point where comedians have used accurate aspects of it for humor, since they tend to grasp that there’s been a shift in the public consciousness from believing in Satanists as being dangerous to now seeing them as having unusual, but not threatening, beliefs. Mike Judge’s Silicon Valley has a character who professes to following aspects of The Satanic Bible, and sketch comedy troops such as The Kids in the Hall as well as Mr. Show, by Bob Odenkirk and David Cross, had skits dealing with genuine aspects of our beliefs and aesthetics. Times have changed and our work towards educating not only the public but law enforcement — we consult for police and the FBI — has brought a basic understanding that we are not devil worshippers and not criminals. They’re also learning that not every Satanist listens to Metal music.

Egoism is fundamental to Satanism”

Your church claims that good is that which benefits me and promotes that which I hold in esteem. Evil is that which harms me and hinders that which I cherish.” Morality in that sense, does not seem to be bound to, or defined by a collective set of principles, but purely based on our own personal choices. Can that be good?

Yes, indeed that can be good, since Satanism is a rational philosophy which accepts a social contract of dealing equitably with our fellow humans. Morality is always subjective — it has been created by somebody, even if they claim it has been given to them by some mythical deity. It is what one chooses as the basis for morality that can make a difference. We see the Sharia law promulgated by Islam — a restrictive set of guidelines collectively held and enforced — and most who do not hold to that belief system find it unjust and inappropriate. The earliest forms of Christianity, like most theism-based moralities, defines any who are not adherents as tantamount to being inhuman and worthy of destruction, should they not convert. History shows us that such collective” moralities can readily produce results leading to misery, oppression and genocide. Satanism, since it demands self-responsibility and an equitable social order — live and let live being our goal — offers an approach wherein people would have the freedom to live within their chosen moralities so long as they don’t forcibly impose them on others. I suspect that this would be seen as a positive approach by many liberal-minded individuals.

Is egoism then more important than altruism?

We self-deify so egoism is fundamental to Satanism. We don’t expect others to adopt our perspective, as it is one of great personal responsibility. It comes naturally to those few with a carnal, rather than a spiritual, nature. We think the idea of sacrificing oneself for the good of others is something that must only come as a matter of personal choice; a Satanist can willingly make the decision to act in that fashion. Our philosophy places each of our selves as the sovereign center of a subjective hierarchy of values, and that does not mean that the goal of the Satanist is to crush everyone else. We are rational people, and we do not react in an automatic manner to the situations we encounter in our lives. People around us must earn our love and respect, as well as our disgust and contempt. We thus treat people as we would like to be treated upon first encounter, then, considering their response, we adjust our behavior accordingly. We value principles supporting liberty and justice so some Satanists join the military in their nations of residence, so as to fight for such causes, perhaps even giving their lives in that pursuit. Satanists are also police officers or fire fighters, who risk and at times lose their lives performing the duties they’ve chosen to accept. Altruism, as an automatic sacrifice of oneself for others when one values others less than oneself, we observe to be a required duty imposed on many people who allow themselves to be subjected to authoritarianism, whether it be religious or political. No Satanist would accept being forced into such a position.

There are not too many shared rules or principles in Satanism, which is the basis of almost every other belief system. Does that make it more difficult to establish a sense of community?

We reject the idea that community is essential to Satanism. We understand that people with spiritual natures cannot find solace in our materialist world view, and we do not wish to convert them. However, we do not want them to force their ideas upon us, as we Satanists find their concepts to be unnatural. We thus advocate a secular, not a pluralist, government, based on reason and equity for all participants in the society. We do not advocate egalitarianism, the idea that all people are the same and should all have the same outcome in their lives despite different talents and desires to work towards success. We consider that, via a mutually agreed upon social contract, society should offer a level playing field from which we make our way towards success through developing our talents through discipline and hard work towards attaining desired goals. Each individual will have a unique course, based on ability and its application.

Is Satanism even meant to be a communal belief system?

Absolutely not. We do not have meetings, services or church buildings. Ritual is a tool that is personal, so Satanists who employ that practice create personalized spaces in their homes. They might at times include other people who are emotionally sympathetic to them in ritual, but since worship plays no role in Satanism, there is no need to gather in the way done by most other religions.

Are Satanists therefore the better religious worshippers”?

Worship has no place in Satanism. Our philosophy seems best for those few people who naturally see themselves reflected in our literature. Regardless of whatever might be their culture of origin, their sexuality, or their social status, those who identify with Satanism as defined by the Church of Satan come to it of their own accord and find it to be the best tool for directing their lives towards positive results for themselves and those for whom they care.

We have earned the right to defend our definition”

How open are members about their affiliation?

It depends upon the life situation of each member. We have thousands of members around the globe and many must keep their affiliation secret because of widespread prejudice and misunderstanding. Our members in creative fields like art and music can often be open. If what they express includes Satanic symbols and imagery it may limit their audience. But others, especially those who have succeeded in more popular art forms, often mask their membership. Our activist members typically are not open, especially if they run activist organizations that require major funding, since prejudice would hamper them achieving their goals and raising the required operational money. Our members who have prominent positions in government or institutions such as schools and universities also must stay closeted, for the most part. That one is a Satanist can be a fact that may best be shared with a select few, those whom one can trust to not only understand, but to keep it as a secret. However, you’ll see on our website that we have a news feed and on that our members who are open about it display their doings. The Church of Satan is thus like an iceberg, with the smaller, public face being our open members, while the majority remain hidden beneath the surface, pursuing their desires without being hindered by other people who could be hostile.

Is Satanism in, for example, a Muslim country different than in a secular Western country?

Our members who reside in Muslim countries must keep their affiliation with Satanism strictly secret, otherwise they could be executed for being apostate. Even regular atheists are in danger since we’ve recently seen that Saudi Arabia has declared atheism to be a form of terrorism. Satanism is atheism-based, hence no Satanist in that country could be open.

The Church of Satan claims to be the only organization that represents Satanism. Is that not the same dogmatic or ideological stance you criticize in other religions?

No. What we oppose in other religions is their forcing their dogmas or ideologies upon others not interested in them. They are quite welcome to maintain their belief systems as they see fit. We do not consider them to be the truth, simply a human construct which may or may not be rationally consistant. Only someone who is part of one of those religions and wishes to change it would find dogmatism of ideology to be an issue. We are not their adherents, so such is none of our business. Defining a philosophy is a crucial task, for if it is nebulous, then people cannot find it worthy of consideration if they seek a consistent set of principles. Before Anton LaVey began the Church of Satan in 1966 and codified the philosophy in The Satanic Bible in 1969, Satanism only existed as an accusation of heresy leveled by Christians at anyone they opposed, including their own adherents. The Church of Satan was first to define and widely promulgate Satanism as a belief system and thus our organization and literature are the foundations of Satanism worldwide. We have earned the right to defend our definition, particularly since it is the only coherent, well-developed philosophy using that name. If one worships Lucifer or The Devil or Satan, one is practicing devil worship or demonolatry, not Satanism. More recently there have been people calling themselves Luciferians” who have beliefs taking elements from Satanism, Chaos Magic, Thelema, Vampirism, and other Left Hand Path” occult systems. These concepts are blended in a loose manner so that followers might believe in a supernatural entity known as Lucifer, or might see him as just a symbol. They might include all manner of magical acts as part of their religious practice, since one of their leaders favors such occultism. They like to gather in church buildings so they see themselves as communal. Because they differ greatly from Satanism, they chose a different label for their beliefs—“Luciferianism.” That is a sensible approach so that they can be defined in contradistinction to Satanism, though outsiders readily confuse the two. There are also people who have appropriated our label of Satanism because of its ability to generate sensational media interest while using limited aspects of our philosophy (atheism and secularism) for communal activism under a brief set of principles that have little connection to the majority of aspects of Satan as seen over history. They are opportunists seeking publicity, but have little to offer when it comes to elucidating a coherent, comprehensive philosophy.

Concluding: over the centuries, Satan has been depicted in many ways in religious writings, literature, art, or film. Which depiction is your favorite one and why?

I don’t have one particular favorite, since none offers a portrait that I find has enough depth to cover the resonance of Satan as a symbol for me. Milton’s Satan from Paradise Lost is heroic and inspiring. Mark Twain’s Satan in Letters from the Earth is sensible and sardonic. Al Pacino’s Satan from The Devil’s Advocate is savvy and pragmatic. Darkness from Ridley Scott’s Legend is an impressive looking  diabolical figure who calls to our attention that we are all animals—a prime tenet of Satanism. Carducci’s Hymn to Satan celebrates The Adversary as an advocate of learning and carnality who shatters the stultifying bonds of Christianity with reason—indeed a true inspiration to we Satanists serving as an admirable exemplar.

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